Here are two influential proposals I've received.  I do stress that because they were sent before the 40 days began, they come from a different context; still, I hope they're helpful.  I don't reproduce them here in order to say "one of these is the way ahead", but in order to encourage others to state their view.  I'm mindful of the comment made by a leadership team member: maybe the big issue is not geography and timing but style and message.

1..."I would like to propose the
following for discussion.
We have 2 services in the  morning at COTC: one traditional one with perhaps Communion 3 out of 4 Sundays with 2 or 3 traditional hymns on CD (or Gift if available)
which they can also follow in our existing books say at 9am instead of
8am Communion. We then all meet for coffee at 10am and start an
informal service at 10.30am with perhaps guitar led singing ... then a slot for drama or something different. then children and MEGA go to classes and we have a second part more like what we usually have at CATS but with a combined choir ... We
could have family communion say monthly and baptism about every 8
weeks with an evangelistic message instead of the usual one in the
series (if too many baptisms they may need to have an occasional 4pm
service).
We would need to get a partitioned area in the Chancel for small
meetings and one of the childrens groups. Glass in the top part for
light and a lower part that could be opened."

2,  “…A simple atomic bomb consists of 2 (or more) pieces of uranium/plutonium neither of which is bigger than the critical mass but their combined size is.   When the bomb is triggered the two pieces are forced together, the critical mass is exceeded and the energy is released.   This is also the principle that nuclear power stations work on.   I expect you’ve got the analogy by now, substitute CoC and CATS for the two pieces of fissionable material and you get my drift.  We need to have one big service a week - I make no proposal as to where it should be - with high numbers of all ages and high energy.   This will be our "shop window" to the world..."
Andy - but not the vicar!
1/23/2010 07:33:32 am

First, an apology for not having written anything in this blog earlier, here are my thoughts over the last few days:

Shop Window
On the topic of home groups and / or church being our ‘shop window’ to the village: I think that our Sunday services are our corporate shop window to the village – however, I strongly believe that it is our everyday actions, reactions, conversations, gossip (hopefully lack of), that has, and will have, the greatest impact on the people in our village.

I think that the implications of our Sunday services being the shop window (or at least part of the window) for the village are significant. In today’s culture, singing, praying, sitting and listening to talks is not ‘normal’ and therefore is not accessible to those coming in. Therefore we may need services (or events) that are structured completely differently from anything that is currently happening at either the Common or School. Different approaches such as ‘messy church’ and ‘sports church’ may have a place here. As someone has already said, we may need to look to have more ‘expressions of worship’ rather than fewer – these may not be services in the traditional sense. This needn’t mean finding more musicians, more Sunday school leaders, more service leaders, etc. New forms of worship may require people with different skills.

Even if Sundays are the ‘shop window’, I think that Home Groups may still have evangelical content, as they can be an easier context in which to build relationships.


Church as a family

As a family, there are times when we do things together, for instance: eating together, celebrations, entertainment, looking after each other, etc and times when we do things separately; most notably learning (school/work). Because of our different ages, abilities, natural preferences it is sometime hard (and even inappropriate) to learn together. For example, it is better for our children to watch ‘Newsround’, whilst we watch ‘News at Ten’.

So when it comes to church I think that we should look to find things we can do together, whilst recognising that some things may better be achieved through separate activities. In a church family we want to support and nurture those, not just of different ages, but also those at different stages in their faith.

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andy (the vicar!)
1/23/2010 11:06:29 pm

Thanks for this, Andy - I'm sorry it wasn't up on the graffiti wall today, but it'll be up next week. This is thoughtful stuff worth reflecting on seriously - thank you.

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anon
1/23/2010 11:10:43 pm

In the service today, the older people near me were audibly complaining at the modern music/drums/worship leader/children playing instruments etc. - even though you had made the service much more tradiotional than family hour usually is. I honestly don't believe that worshipping together every week is going to work. It's sad, but it's human nature. Maybe we could worship apart, but have our teaching time together?

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andy
1/23/2010 11:31:13 pm

Anon, I'm sorry you had a bad experience; remember that it is hard to have to worship in a different building from the one you're used to, and I think havoing three songs in a row at the beginning may have been particularly difficult for some. That said, I do hope we can adjust to one another a bit; it may be human nature to grumble, but we are new creations in Christ.

As for the idea of having our teaching together but our worship apart - that's a really interesting idea. How would it work?

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Catherine
1/26/2010 02:13:52 am

I entered the 40 days feeling quite open to the idea of joining the congregations together.

As the days have progressed I have felt more and more convinced of the need for diversity in trying to meet the very different needs of people in our congregations and our village.
When considering the strengths of St. Michaels my thoughts keep returning to the loving acts we have encountered that support individuals. One example is that when we first arrived at CATS there was a crèche in place – for just one child. At COTC there is a Sunday School – often for just a couple of children. I know it’s hard to resource, and may seem fragmented, but I think these loving actions demonstrating God’s love for every individual, are what it’s all about. It was that ‘love in action’ that clinched our decision to make St. Michael’s our home.

I would be sad if we lost the separate styles and expressions of church that we currently have in CATS and COTC as I think they cater for very different needs and preferences.

I do believe we need to work as one church but don’t think that needs to mean one big service on a Sunday.
I think being ‘one body’ is about working for God towards a common aim (eg showing the love of Jesus to Galleywood). Like a good school and its teachers working and planning together but delivering the curriculum in different classrooms. Being one body means letting go of any ‘them and us’ thinking. Are there other ways we can be one? Can we eat together? Are there midweek things that can be done together?

I am concerned that some of the suggested models of meeting together only try to accommodate our current members and do not consider any other models of church that would appeal to those outside of church. I suspect that in order to make church accessible and attractive to those outside we may need to move at least some of our ‘services’ even further away from the traditional. I also believe it is vital that we have a presence on the Barnard Road estate, even if that ‘presence’ ultimately looks very different from what we currently do at CATS.

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andy
1/26/2010 09:27:43 pm

Thank you, Catherine. As you say, being one doesn't necessarily mean doing everything together. I'd love others to chip in along these lines.

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